These same type of head-to-head polls showed just a few months ago that Giuliani would beat Clinton. Wow, weren't they wrong!

The fact is either Clinton or Obama will beat McCain because (a) McCain's liberalness turns off conservative voters who will stay at home in droves, and (b) Democrats will turn out in such force, determined to elect any Democrat, that the huge turnout of Democrats will sweep whoever the Democratic candidate is into office with ease.

These polls are not accurate predictors of who will win the election because they ignore voter turnout.

I actually thought Romney would have been a better choice for the Republicans, but then don't understand the hard core conservative angst against McCain. He seems pretty conservative to me..If Hillary wins though, I think a substantial number independents and Republicans will turn out.... to vote against Hillary, and thereby for McCain.

I just wached and to turn away thousnds more than Hillary is turning out.

I actually thought Romney would have been a better choice for the Republicans, but then don't understand the hard core conservative angst against McCain. He seems pretty conservative to me..

They don't oppose him because he's not conservative enough, or for any policy issues at all. If that were important to them there's no way in hell they would have lined up behind Multiple-Choice Mitt. They hate him for one reason, and it is this speech from 2000:

But public -- but political intolerance by any political party is neither a Judeo-Christian nor an American value. The political tactics of division and slander are not our values... They are corrupting influences on religion and politics, and those who practice them in the name of religion or in the name of the Republican Party or in the name of America shame our faith, our party and our country. Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance, whether they be Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left, or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right."

For the hard-right, who have no principles whatsoever, political tactics of division and slander are their values, and they are cherished more than the commandments given to Moses.

Let me try that again..I just watched and listened to Obama'a impressive speech live in Seattle at the KeyArena and he continues to turn away thousands... more than Hillary is turning out..

20,000?! Amazing.

I watched Obama's event in Omaha, Nebraska last night and it was pretty impressive too.

mantis..Thanks, it's almost a tribal feud, which outsiders can hardly understand. That was a very tough speech of McCain's ..maybe that's why the Conservative right haven't forgotten or forgiven him, 8 years later.

And to be fair to Hillary, last night she gave a speech on Seattle's waterfront in a smaller venue, that attracted five thousand people and turned away hundreds.

you guys are funny.

conservatives aren't happy with mccain because of:

1)mccain-feingold. they consider that law to be an attack on the first amendment

2)he opposed bush's tax cuts

3)gang of 14 for judicial nominees

4)he has talked of "punishing" companies that make "too much money"

5)illegal immigration amnesty and the procedural moves he made to try to get it passed

these are all issues of principals. mantis, your comment about conservatives being only interested in division and slander in politics is uncalled for and just plain wrong.

they also wish that he would speak as hard to liberals as he does to conservatives.

personally i think that mccain has a good chance of winning in nov, especially if he picks a good vp candidate. hillary has too many negatives for people. and do you really want to see mccain and obama (or hillary for that matter) up on a podium comparing experience and character?

i think what you will see is mccain grabbing a good chunk of the independent voters, especially those that even if they think we are in Iraq wrongly, don't want to see us lose. and i think that in the end, the conservative vote will mostly come out for mccain because they fear the destruction that hillary or obama would do to our country. i'm not saying that they would be enthusiastic. in fact, they will complain all the way to the voting booth, but they will come out.

steve, you're right, you don't understand. i think that is because, as a leftist, you think in the frame of identity politics, and not in the frame of the individual.

i don't know any conservatives that when they complain about mccain, mention that speech at all. they mention all of the things i listed above.

yes it was a hard speech. but it needed to be said. most conservatives recognize that, even if they wish that mccain would show some of that same harshness to those on the left.

i think what you will see is mccain grabbing a good chunk of the independent voters, especially those that even if they think we are in Iraq wrongly, don't want to see us lose.

That's a pretty incredible statement given this:

A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 59% of Americans would like to see U.S. troops brought home from Iraq within a year.

And, unfortunately, casualties are on their way back up so this will just get worse for McCain. Now that he's won the nomination he's going to have to moderate on Iraq or he doesn't stand a chance.

"Republicans Choose Smartly..."

McCain???

Senate Select Committee On POW/MIA Affairs, 1991-1992:

McCain runs interference for the DRVN. Why?

Past collaboration. Propaganda tour. Havana Granma. Hanoi Hilton day passes. Czech psychoanalyses.

At the first hint, McCain will plead ill-health deferrment of campaign to avoid a public fate worse than death.

Just revisiting...

Here's a McCain site anticipating the inevitable. Plenty of denunciations of MIA "activists" (scare quotes!) and questioning the need to re-enter the POW "whirlpool".

A sample from the pro-McCain site. Note the break in continuity. Swiss cheese is Good Eats but a curious read in an apologia.

"By piecing together McCain's recollections and the reports from other POWs who were aware that another guy had been brought in, it appears that the Vietnamese threw him in the cell, possible believing that he was about to die from his injuries. After a couple of days, they suddenly pulled him out of the cell and, after a day or two of trying to treat his wounds in prison, took him to Ministry of Defense Hospital # 108, the hospital where many US POWs were treated."

"Suddenly" sounds better the spontaneously, I guess.

http://www.miafacts.org/mccain.htm

As they say, Read the whole thing!

If Hillary can weep her way past Obama, you'll see one cocky dame in the general!

Not to spam, but the guy is toast!
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/mccain.html